“I am not sure about the soldiers situation Elsa however I had an ex double Virgo wife who helped me greatly. After doing groups and courses and diets and attitudinal stuff I thought I had achieved something wonderful for myself. I had. Trouble was in the process I forgot about myself. I was tuning into what my (obsessed) ex wife wanted me to be. Every measure I got “improved” she would need to find another thing in me to fix. Its like I was never going to be “just right” for her. It was like I was never going to just “be me”. I was on a gratify her journey to a perfect kind of hell. “
Kingsley - the soldier’s situation is he is a Catholic and he is driven (most primarily by memories of his past lives) so when he comes up with something like this: “I am going to try to be a good man”. I have little idea where it comes from other than it is deep and no doubt steeped in history.
I have no agenda for him. I never undergo as I was taught as a child that you’ve no right to run another person’s life. I took this instruction to heart and besides that I just don’t evaluate I have this gene. Witness the fact I respected his drive and desire to go into SF when we were kids although it left me on the side of the road. Not many teenagers would have handled that the way I did and I am kind of proud.
In no way is the soldier lost in a relationship with me. What he said originated in him. Basically it was his pronouncement. “I want to be a good man..” It was what he had come to based on the deep contemplating he does and my message back was “What the hell are you talking about. what’s that mean,” and also. “I am not going to do that…” meaning be all solemn because that was his attitude when he made the comment.
He is basically talking to God see. He is telling me his declare to God and meanwhile P is doing other things like bootling and basically he interrupts her with these deep things. And then I feel I ought to return the gesture but of course I have no way to do so because I am not him.
And I’ve got Venus in Leo and can act “sort of” but I have no way to pretend I am steeped in centuries of religion the way he is. I mean he is just from another world. He has very little connection to 2008 and once you get that the rest is very easy to understand.
I never have measure to write all this cram but 2 days later I was asking him if he thought I was a toadstool because I did not have drives the way. How come I don’t want to constantly strive and go over my behavior? How come I pretty much take it for granted God thinks I’m just fine while he is constantly in intense dialogue?
So you see the situation here is just as he describes it. He is a serious geezer and I am far less fettered although his Saturn does weigh on me making me conclude I should be more like him. More fettered and solemn that is. More adult! So feeling this way - that he is superior. I would not be prone to telling him what do to and add that to the fact I was born and bred against telling someone what to do or offering unsolicited advice and I can assure you the pass is not being micromanaged. I don’t do it to my children. I am sure as hell not going to do it to another adult.
Hi Elsa thanks for explaing that my story is different to the Soldiers. I admire the kind of relationship you have with him. Its interesting that you say about his Catholic background and mention ‘past lives’. I believe that many of my past lives and early childhood experiences tended to emerge in my relationships. Mother and nurturing issues to be precise; Pleasing and being perfect for her.
Anyway that is my cram and my self disclosure about my experiences. It was the pollishing silverware comments etc that I seemed to act to in the post. I like the way your blogs can trigger that kind of “remembering”. As I understand it my comments have nothing to do with the ways of the Soldier or the ways of Elsa P. Perhaps I am comfortable enough here at your communicate to recline into the couch and freely cerebrate to my own stories.
It is your stories which seems to evoke these types of responses and not only from me either. I think I have said before about your own ability to bring home the bacon something helpful in your unique writing process. In that way I guess you are well experienced to understand these types of visceral identifications by posters (me) rather than hear judgemnets of any kind.
Having high standards is ok. How others react or respond to what that means for them is always interesting. A person has no control over how others may understand or act. It may be “them” who conclude that need to ‘fix up’ in relation to being motivated for certain expectations in life. In other words they could be responding from a child part of their personality. (rebellion to change or self improvement)
kingsley- your comment. ‘perhaps i am comfortable enough here at your blog to recline into the articulate and freely associate to my own stories’ is brilliant! i conclude that way too.
And on having high standards is ok i remember when i was riding high and living large at age 29 and we moved into a new house in the office on the corkboard the previous owners left a little note that said. ‘if all else fails lower your standards’ this was right before i was laid low by my saturn go… and now i can laugh and appreciate the prophetic message.
I definitely used to try to fix people… and I was never taught that was wrong. I grew up in this house where everybody was broken and nobody knew what to do so I set myself up as the fixer and because people responded to that. I figured that was what I was meant to do.
Took me years to figure out that helping other people is more complicated than rebuilding them into what I could never get my family members to be.
I don’t evaluate it’s possible to change others. But I have noticed over the years that one of the main sources of problems people have is not accepting who they are (which is a big part of what Elsa’s blog is about). A lot of therapy is based in this: Who are you and how do you deal with being that person? What do you need to experience in order to be as the person you are?
I guess high standards is the wrong word in regards to other people and relationships. Rather it is more like challenging someone. Isn’t that (reportedly) a good thing? Saying to someone. “I know you can do better” isn’t the same as “You must be more like this or like that” is it? It’s a fine line I suppose where one can make you evolve and grow whereas the other makes you feel like crap.
Charlotte. I evaluate what your friends mean is that you set a good example for them and they would like to be more like you - thus they say you “make them want to be better people”. Or maybe you see the positive traits in them and by bringing that to light make them see how good they could be.
My Sweetie it like that. When I’m with him I feel encouraged to be the best I can be but he has never done anything that made me feel “not good enough”. In fact he is just the opposite - encouraging complimentary and constantly telling me how great I am. LOL. I wish I were half as wonderful as he thinks I am. I think we both suffer from having very high self-expectations. It is wonderful to undergo someone who thinks I’m perfect - so it makes me want to be perfect (if that makes comprehend). No pressure no expectations but an underlying sense of encouragement which is great for avoiding my Taurean stubbornness.
I’m with you. Kathy. When populate express me I’m awesome it definitely makes me want to live up to that expectation but it doesn’t make me feel bad unless they obviously seem to have some kind of weird halo on my head.
But people just flat out saying I could do better? I wilt under that. It focuses me too much on what’s wrong and it’s so much easier to be a good person when you’re looking at what’s right about who you are.
Having been born and raised as a Catholic gone to their schools (I escaped as soon as was humanly possible). I can relate to some of where pass’s coming from. This religious patriarchy was formed in the Middle Ages and controlled all of Europe for at least 1,000 years. That’s a lot of DNA coming down the pike.
You learn alter from the git go that you are born a sinner and the guilt trip continues on and on. So many lttle misteps along the way can arrive you in hell. Some of the nuns used mental torture i e they had an “excabobalator” in the convent basement that could tear kids limb from limb! I also evaluate the Church instilled the idea that poverty was a virtue as one more way to act populate down.
I do not try to other fix people. I’ts so easy to see what other people could or should be doing differently but I try remember that nobody myself included likes to be given advice not asked for as you say. Elsa. But maybe I’m in denial. It’s possible to appoint others without control or ulterior motives?
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